
Over 85,000 mothers have begun protesting Facebook since last Tuesday for the fact that Facebook has been removing photographs of mothers nursing their young in photos. A group called “Hey, Facebook, breastfeeding is not obscene!” has attracted record numbers in such a short time and is calling for Facebook to stop their removals.
For weeks now, mothers have found their Facebook pictures removed without notice and e-mails dispatched saying they may be banned from the website for showing “obscene pictures”.
A Facebook spokesperson said, “We take no action on the vast majority of breastfeeding photos because they follow the site’s terms of use”, he said, but concluded that some photos were removed to ensure the site remains safe for all users, including children.
This last Saturday the group held an online debate where they publicly and verbally opposed the “new order” that Facebook is beginning to enforce. Also, at the Facebook main office, mothers held a massive nursing session where people came and did the literally and also came to sing together.
I believe Facebook is not only doing the right thing, but they are asking pretty reasonable things from these folks. Since they broke the Terms of Service that they agreed to upon signing up, it is within their rights to remove that content.
Terms of Service:
“upload, post, transmit, share, store or otherwise make available any content that we deem to be harmful, threatening, unlawful, defamatory, infringing, abusive, inflammatory, harassing, vulgar, obscene, fraudulent, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;”
Code of Conduct:
Therefore, you may not post or share Content that: is obscene, pornographic or sexually explicit
However, I do see their point of it not being “obscene”, but what Facebook is saying is they are just showing too much. I’m not sure if there is really any middle ground here, but what do you think Facebook and the mothers should be doing in this situation? Do you think it is right for Facebook to be denying these women the rights of displaying these photos?
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Although I am defending Facebook on this, I only do so because they are not trying to censor the public’s view but trying to keep a stable and clean community for ALL ages. Now, if they were deleting pictures because of race, gender or origin then I would be opposed to this. But the circumstances are much different in this case. I have nothing against the act of breastfeeding but when it comes to showing more than you need to, then it crosses the line in a public scene.
I agree to what Lea has said, and I wanted to ask you that who decides what is acceptable and ”what is too much”. It also depends how the general public takes it and what they think of when they see such pictures.. and if I am not wrong most of the teens in US are already aware of such pics... correct me if I am wrong ???
”I wanted to ask you that who decides what is acceptable and ’what is too much’”. Now now, lets not go down this road. This will be a never ending argument if we begin this. However, I will say one thing. By using Facebook’s services and space you are abiding by THEIR rules and THEIR terms so THEY get to decide what is acceptable. That is the truth and there is no way around that as long as people opt to use their service.
Anant, the problem with appealing to the ”general public” is that you will see roughly 40-40 split in opinions. 40% of the people will agree where 40% will not (leaving 10 for undecided). I, for one, agree that Facebook has all the rights to deny these pictures since they clearly go against their terms of service.
These mothers, in my view, are taking this fight the wrong way and are seeing everything Facebook has said as hostile. When Facebook referred to the mother’s pictures as being ”obscene” and ”displaying nudity” they meant nothing more than the basic fact of the word and that being that they showed too much. NOT that they were obscene in a way of disgusting, gross and foul. Nothing about the natural process is of that nature. Facebook is merely backing up their obligation of keeping a clean community by removing such pictures.
Let me give you a scenario. What if someone displayed pictures of them having sex? Isn’t that on the same principal? Under the impression they were trying for a baby it is deemed a ”beautiful thing”. But isn’t this the same kind of case?
Take another case for example. What if you were renting out your basement or something of that nature and someone came in and began living there paying you rent. When they first came to you, you had them sign a contract displaying things they can and cannot do. A couple of these things was to not destroy any property and to not display pictures on the wall that suggest violence or nudity (I’m reaching here, obviously hypothetical). What if the person began displaying pictures on their wall with violence and nudity. Would you require them to take it down because it is against your rules or would you let them keep it up because the guy next door has some borderline pictures?
Folks, what I am trying to get across in this long comment is that this decision does not come down to moral or ethical decisions but down to what Facebook thinks is nudity and obscene and what isn’t. They have all rights to remove such pictures whether it is some girl doing it to be ”cute” or some girl breastfeeding her child. Either way, it is what it is and they aren’t being removed because of the context in which it is displayed. They are being removed because it is going against the policy they have had and enforced for years.
I hope I am getting across what I am meaning effectively. I do see your point Anant and Lea. However, it does not come down to context as much of it is what it is. Thanks for the replies, I appreciate everyone actually reading my stuff :).
Whatever you have said makes sense, do let me know of the outcome...
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Although I am defending Facebook on this, I only do so because they are not trying to censor the public’s view but trying to keep a stable and clean community for ALL ages. Now, if they were deleting pictures because of race, gender or origin then I would be opposed to this. But the circumstances are much different in this case. I have nothing against the act of breastfeeding but when it comes to showing more than you need to, then it crosses the line in a public scene.
”I wanted to ask you that who decides what is acceptable and ’what is too much’”. Now now, lets not go down this road. This will be a never ending argument if we begin this. However, I will say one thing. By using Facebook’s services and space you are abiding by THEIR rules and THEIR terms so THEY get to decide what is acceptable. That is the truth and there is no way around that as long as people opt to use their service.
Anant, the problem with appealing to the ”general public” is that you will see roughly 40-40 split in opinions. 40% of the people will agree where 40% will not (leaving 10 for undecided). I, for one, agree that Facebook has all the rights to deny these pictures since they clearly go against their terms of service.
These mothers, in my view, are taking this fight the wrong way and are seeing everything Facebook has said as hostile. When Facebook referred to the mother’s pictures as being ”obscene” and ”displaying nudity” they meant nothing more than the basic fact of the word and that being that they showed too much. NOT that they were obscene in a way of disgusting, gross and foul. Nothing about the natural process is of that nature. Facebook is merely backing up their obligation of keeping a clean community by removing such pictures.
Let me give you a scenario. What if someone displayed pictures of them having sex? Isn’t that on the same principal? Under the impression they were trying for a baby it is deemed a ”beautiful thing”. But isn’t this the same kind of case?
Take another case for example. What if you were renting out your basement or something of that nature and someone came in and began living there paying you rent. When they first came to you, you had them sign a contract displaying things they can and cannot do. A couple of these things was to not destroy any property and to not display pictures on the wall that suggest violence or nudity (I’m reaching here, obviously hypothetical). What if the person began displaying pictures on their wall with violence and nudity. Would you require them to take it down because it is against your rules or would you let them keep it up because the guy next door has some borderline pictures?
Folks, what I am trying to get across in this long comment is that this decision does not come down to moral or ethical decisions but down to what Facebook thinks is nudity and obscene and what isn’t. They have all rights to remove such pictures whether it is some girl doing it to be ”cute” or some girl breastfeeding her child. Either way, it is what it is and they aren’t being removed because of the context in which it is displayed. They are being removed because it is going against the policy they have had and enforced for years.
I hope I am getting across what I am meaning effectively. I do see your point Anant and Lea. However, it does not come down to context as much of it is what it is. Thanks for the replies, I appreciate everyone actually reading my stuff :).
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I agree to what Lea has said, and I wanted to ask you that who decides what is acceptable and ”what is too much”. It also depends how the general public takes it and what they think of when they see such pictures.. and if I am not wrong most of the teens in US are already aware of such pics... correct me if I am wrong ???
Whatever you have said makes sense, do let me know of the outcome...
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